what do you think vergil. do you think it would be better to have two actors play dante and vergil in a film or use one for both.

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Vergil-demon in blue:

you shouldent exspect every one to think your as great as you do. Just because one persan acts like a imature Idiet dosent mean every one gets too. For all any one knows, your intelligaence is not as great as you would say. in all honesty, you might be suprised as to how little you know. than again, you might be right, but no test would ever tell, what you know in films you might lack in somthing els. end of discussion and smart remarks. alright? more back on topic posts Debate on your topic, we wouldent stop that, whats getting us mod's angry is some of you have the in-ability to convay a message without slinging your ego along with it.

now please no more smart remarks after were trying to nicely warn people we just want every one to get along -_-'

Dude, I'm not even saying anything about that anymore, why bring it up again? You're just tossing your two cents in before you give your warning. If anyone has an ego, its Mr. "I can't be wrong about Vergil and dante looking alike so I'm going to whine and insult people" geez, Justice on SoS sure sucks

Just take your own advice and warnings and END the argument instead of continuing it.

 Now answer the gentleman's question.

The choices are:

Identical twins that look like Vergil and Dante

Two guys that look similar but not exactly alike

or one guy that can be duplicated convincingly using compositing techniques and perhaps some CG effects

 You can name them in terms of priority, for example, my preference would be:

Identical Twins, but if no twins can be found, one guy playing both, THEN two different guys with CG or prosthetics to make them look identical.

We're talking about a professional multi-million dollar movie, so don't judge it like a fanfilm or something.

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Gilver:

Dude, I'm not even saying anything about that anymore, why bring it up again? You're just tossing your two cents in before you give your warning. If anyone has an ego, its Mr. "I can't be wrong about Vergil and dante looking alike so I'm going to whine and insult people" geez, Justice on SoS sure sucks

Just take your own advice and warnings and END the argument instead of continuing it.

You surely need to have the last word on everything, don't you?

And yes you were talking about that. You said that you don't want anyone to question your intelligence. That's pretty ironic, because you definitely weren't giving very intelligent picture of yourself by posting all those childish comebacks. You also need to learn how to debate without insulting the other. You could show your intelligence by not throwing any smart remarks to the person who insults you first. Don't you agree?

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Alright, Il just skip past the nonsence ego-insalts and get to the real stuff.

I dont exsactly go by choices a stranger puts infront of me, no offence intended. its just somthing I dont do.

This multi million dollar movie could go any way, and still turn out alright. seeing as how it is prooven to create the illusion of twins in any way. this also brings back the long debated CGI wich makeing twins would be a few mouse clicks away!...and...a few million dollars away too!.

So il get to my point finally there is no real wrong way. unless there useing the prosses to do so incorrectly it all lies on whom ever is in charge of makeing them look like twins. but if you want it done in a reasonable amount of time. I wouldent look for two people who are twins, good acters, and like the game. id find one of them, and than another persan who has about the same build on him, plaster the one's face and make a mask for the other.

 

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Vergil-demon in blue:

Alright, Il just skip past the nonsence ego-insalts and get to the real stuff.

I dont exsactly go by choices a stranger puts infront of me, no offence intended. its just somthing I dont do.

This multi million dollar movie could go any way, and still turn out alright. seeing as how it is prooven to create the illusion of twins in any way. this also brings back the long debated CGI wich makeing twins would be a few mouse clicks away!...and...a few million dollars away too!.

So il get to my point finally there is no real wrong way. unless there useing the prosses to do so incorrectly it all lies on whom ever is in charge of makeing them look like twins. but if you want it done in a reasonable amount of time. I wouldent look for two people who are twins, good acters, and like the game. id find one of them, and than another persan who has about the same build on him, plaster the one's face and make a mask for the other.

 

I highly doubt those particular camera tricks , that involve compositing more than CGI, since you're not CREATING the person or the face with the computer but you're rather inserting it into the shot, would cost millions of dollars. In fact, I could probably do the same thing with a $1000 video effects software.

I'd say a mask would end up looking like one of the background hobbits in LOTR. During the Moria scene, before Gandalf jumps you see "Sam" behind him and you can tell its a mask and not Sean Astin.

I'd say the best way to actually DO a fight scene is to record it from all its angles ONCE, with the actor in Dante's costume and a body double in Vergil's. Then go back, switch costumes and shoot the entire fight scene with the actor as Vergil and the double as Dante. That way, for certain angles you can simply "copy/paste" the actor's face over the double's. Combine that with different camera angles and different individual shots, you've got a complete fight.

I remembered another movie that uses the duplication effect. But takes it even further. Austin Powers...lol...Mike Myers plays Austin Powers, Dr. Evil, Fat *** AND Goldmember  

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it would be a waste to do the same fight scene twice. plus i dont know if there are any actors that would do that. why not get two actors instead of working the actor and the double twice as hard. and if you look at the fights for DMC there alot faster than the ones in other movies like the one. that kung fu is easier to choreograph than a sword fight. especially it being dante and vergil. theyre already going to have to use tricks to make it look faster than it is. it would make it even more difficult if they had to worry about face pasting and such.

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DanteMustDieDT:

it would be a waste to do the same fight scene twice. plus i dont know if there are any actors that would do that. why not get two actors instead of working the actor and the double twice as hard. and if you look at the fights for DMC there alot faster than the ones in other movies like the one. that kung fu is easier to choreograph than a sword fight. especially it being dante and vergil. theyre already going to have to use tricks to make it look faster than it is. it would make it even more difficult if they had to worry about face pasting and such.

Listen, I've said it a million times before and I'll probably end up saying it a million times again.

Twins = best case scenario

One guy = next best thing

Two guys would have to work hard anyways though. countless hours of practicing the choreography and it'd make anyone nuts unless they really had fun with it.

The swords would probably be made of a light yet durable plastic (I believe the kind that skateboard wheels are made of) so tehy wouldn't get hurt. But it would also mean they will be moving as fast as they'll need to except for certain moves and sequences.

To tell you the truth, I totally want to make the Dual of the Demon children scene...omg totally awesome. Some parts on that WILL need to be sped up and given sword swipe effects. Making a scene like that is tough as it is. Could you imagine shooting it in the "rain" (for the sake of argument), shooting it again with Dante/Vergil roles reversed, editing the nice parts (like close up shots and such) adding composite background effects (moon, sky and city) the adding facial composite effects ( to one side or the other depending on which is better) then adding sword effects, speed effects, Summoned sword and gun effects, Drive/judgment cut effects, and then adding in SOUND effects (Sword clangs, ADR, rain, footsteps, water splashing, firearms, various other sounds) then the MUSIC score....

sounds like fun, where can I sign up?

Anyways, that's just how hard it would be. And it would be the same if it were twins or something, except there would be no facial composition and no switching. The scene would still have to be shot MULTIPLE times since that's the way it usually is anyways. There need to be different camera angles and of course someone's going to mess up once or twice.

can I ask you why you think Kung Fu is easier to choreograph? It may be easier to choreograph, but its not easier to shoot. Everything it up close and its hard to fake a hit convincingly. With swords you have more room to work with. For example, in Star Wars Eps. ! during the Darth Maul fight with Obi-wan and Qui-gon, Darth Maul "kicks" Obi-Wan in the face, but when you watch the behind the scenes feature you see that his foot was REALLY over a foot away from Obi-wan's face. but they edited it to make him appear closer and actually kick him. Now you could do the same with some martial arts moves, but many sword moves could be fixed that way. Also, computer generated swords (which will have to be used no matter who is palying who) will enable them to slice into each other without actually slicing someone open...

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i only ment that most martial art fight scence are slower than the speed dmc is at. sword hits and movements have to be worked on more closely because you have to make it look heavy and make sure it doesnt bend on an off hit.

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    yea, ok, my 2 cents on all these ideas...

CGI: it's been discussed, it wouldn't be a bad choice, but your going 20 million dollars over the estimated budget. DMC isn't THAT big yet.

 and now for the various Dante-Vergil scenarios,

 

one actor doing both: not the best choice 

twins: never gunna happen.

 

in the movie "The One", Jet Lei was one guy, and his evil clone was an other guy wearing a green mask. they pasted Lei's face over the mask via computer. I think that is the most reasonable way to do it.

 

 

and as for all that stuff about them having to be a fan of the game and look 100% like Dante? pu-leaze! Is it that hard to find a well-built  individual and put a white wig on his head? Jeepers crow, they had a girl play the part of peter pan in all the old movies.

 

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in the movie "The One", Jet Lei was one guy, and his evil clone was an other guy wearing a green mask. they pasted Lei's face over the mask via computer. I think that is the most reasonable way to do it.

That's exactly what I wanted!

Of course I was referencing other movies more since no one could appreciate The One.

So they didn't have to shoot the scene twice with Jet on either side? then adding the facial compositions over the mask when neccesary?

Doing the scene once would be awesome I suppose. And that's definitely the best thing to do if no twins can be found. Let's face it, its POSSIBLE that there may be twins that look like dante and Vergil out there...somewhere...

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yes, the last climatic battle in "the one" was only shot once. of course Jet lei wasn't always the good guy, sometimes he was the bad guy, it all depended on who the camera focused on more.

and you are right, twins are possible... so are unicorns, dragons, and fairy tails : P

 

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Break:

yes, the last climatic battle in "the one" was only shot once. of course Jet lei wasn't always the good guy, sometimes he was the bad guy, it all depended on who the camera focused on more.

Perfect then! As long as its equal work and not double for the actor, then our opinon has merit

and you are right, twins are possible... so are unicorns, dragons, and fairy tails : P

Never underestimate genetic roulette. But you're probably right, it'd be hard enough to find someone who looks like Dante, let alone TWINS like look like him.
 

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twins is ridiculous. no way your gonna find em. and lets say you do theres no way there gonna be actors.

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DanteMustDieDT:

twins is ridiculous. no way your gonna find em. and lets say you do theres no way there gonna be actors.

damn reality

but we CAN always hope

Oh BTW, DMDDT

My friend was able to recover ALL my files!! Including my DMC scripts! YES! So I can show you the polished (yet still not perfect)version.

Just give him a few days to put it all on DVD so I can restore it

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no rush take your time

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