ken_devilman_06:

Lmao its funny cuz i could argue with u on ALL those points u just made,but im choosing ur last point cuz ur WAY off! 1st and foremost Dante and Vergil DONT NEED swords 2 transform. THEY WERE BORN WITH their powerz,remember? They didnt learn how 2 Transform till Dmc3. Whereas Nero is HUMAN. he didnt ALWAYZ have the DB. He confirmed that when he had a "Vergil Moment". hahaha So u get my point. And dude,honestly if u REALLY think that Neros DT is just a result of Yamato,then u r more thickheaded than i thought. Look at all the signs,the HOVERING SOUL of Nelo Angelo (Vergil),Neros "Vergil moment". i mean wut else do u need? Doesnt that tell enough?

Nero WASNT human, it was merely a peice of dialogue he said himself "If im a demon, and not a human anymore, is this what you want?" Oh...so duuuuh, Nero was only a human all along especially with the blood of Sparda!!! How can having the blood of Sparda and that power make you human which is totally contradicting him being a human at all. Hence why hes NOT known as human to himself or Kyrie after because he discovers his origins/ connection to Sparda.

No, im not a retard, ive played the game probably longer than you.Firstly, stop forcing your ideas as facts, and Nelo Angelo was destroyed by Dante in DMC1, his physical body was destroyed and his soul departed. Firstly, with Agnus experimenting on demon souls and harnessing them, they could have taken Vergils and manipulated it. Infact, it doesnt look like Nelo Angelo to me, its the Orders armour NOT his in resemblence to DMC1.

Nero used Buster and other abilities BEFORE having Yamato which means all the power was there before being awoken, but some sort or Devil Arm was needed, who says that Nero weilding Rebellion wouldnt have awoken his abilities and resembled Dante? You have no proof against it either.

ken_devilman_06:

And u have no 4 it Hotshot! So how do u support that claim? hahaha And i c u like my word "contradicting". hahaha Goodstuff

Wow, dont even take theories into consideration and just wipe it off like a know it all? Try coming to a real debate in a DMC4 forums elsewhere and get wiped on the floor with it. Of course, you know everything coming from an young teen who can barely type.

NerosDevil:

Nero WASNT human, it was merely a peice of dialogue he said himself "If im a demon, and not a human anymore, is this what you want?" Oh...so duuuuh, Nero was only a human all along especially with the blood of Sparda!!! How can having the blood of Sparda and that power make you human which is totally contradicting him being a human at all. Hence why hes NOT known as human to himself or Kyrie after because he discovers his origins/ connection to Sparda.

Nero was born as a human. He only got Sparda's blood in his veins not too long ago before the events of DMC4.

NerosDevil:

 

No, im not a retard, ive played the game probably longer than you.Firstly, stop forcing your ideas as facts, and Nelo Angelo was destroyed by Dante in DMC1, his physical body was destroyed and his soul departed. Firstly, with Agnus experimenting on demon souls and harnessing them, they could have taken Vergils and manipulated it. Infact, it doesnt look like Nelo Angelo to me, its the Orders armour NOT his in resemblence to DMC1.

You better need to know that the Order was using fragments of Nelo Angelo's aka Vergil's soul in their experiments. 

NerosDevil:

 

Nero used Buster and other abilities BEFORE having Yamato which means all the power was there before being awoken, but some sort or Devil Arm was needed, who says that Nero weilding Rebellion wouldnt have awoken his abilities and resembled Dante? You have no proof against it either.

Nero's abilities didn't awoken. He got the strength from Yamato and would also lose it by giving up the sword.

"Nero was born as a human. He only got Sparda's blood in his veins not too long ago before the events of DMC4."

What? How do you know this and where did it say that? No such thing was mentioned. Thats totally wrong, you cannot develop blood, your born with it its like me saying i didnt get my parents blood until an older age, his DB is a manifestation of something else.

"You better need to know that the Order was using fragments of Nelo Angelo's aka Vergil's soul in their experiments."

So where did you read this also? Thats a theory. It never ever officially said that or made any mention.

Plus how do you know Neros strength prior to the game, plus a whole load of stuff you pulled from no where which doesnt make any sense to anything.

ken_devilman_06:

Hey WHOA! Ima need 4 u 2 take it down a notch,when ur talkn 2 one of my friends mkay.

Its called a debate on an issue. Merely pointing out the statements are false; not personally picking.

visualxkei:

Okay...I'm not a mod or admin or whatever...but this debate has turned into a full blown attack.  And because I know one of the mods quite personally, I'll save him the trouble of finding this later and having to deal with it.

Firstly, neither of you is wrong.  Nobody knows anything but Capcom.  There are definitely pieces of the story they haven't revealed and might never reveal.  Who knows?  There are a lot of substantial contributions to both of your theories, but nothing is set in stone yet.  Wait until DMC5 until confirming anything as fact.

Personally, I support the theory that Nero is the human manefestation of Vergil when Mundus parted his halves creating him and Nelo Angelo.  When Nelo Angelo is destroyed, the demon essence tries to return to the human half in desperation for survival.  This being the case, it isn't strong enough to manifest and take over the human completely.  At least not yet.  I do believe that some day, it might gather the power to gain control over Nero.  But this is just my theory.  I could be completely wrong and I'm willingto accept it when something solid comes from the spewing of Capcom.



Lastly, keep this as a debate and keep to the topic.  Right now, it's getting personal and you should go to private messages if you can't help fighting.  It was a mere hypothetical question and I believe NerosDevil had very convincing stories.  Nobody needs to accept the other side as fact; you just need to accept the other side exists.

Coexist.  That's the best anyone could do.

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NerosDevil:

"Nero was born as a human. He only got Sparda's blood in his veins not too long ago before the events of DMC4."

What? How do you know this and where did it say that? No such thing was mentioned. Thats totally wrong, you cannot develop blood, your born with it its like me saying i didnt get my parents blood until an older age, his DB is a manifestation of something else.

Check out what Cobalt said in the other thread. Nero encountered a demon and got an injury. The demon's blood probably infused with his own and that's also how he developed that arm. And there is a very high possibility that the demon was indeed Nelo Angelo.

NerosDevil:

 

"You better need to know that the Order was using fragments of Nelo Angelo's aka Vergil's soul in their experiments."

So where did you read this also? Thats a theory. It never ever officially said that or made any mention.

Plus how do you know Neros strength prior to the game, plus a whole load of stuff you pulled from no where which doesnt make any sense to anything.

You seriously should pay attention to every little thing in the game, not only the cutscenes. Enemy descriptions and such tell quite a bit of the story.

And don't worry, visualxkei. We will keep this debate under control. ;) 

Zechra:

NerosDevil:

"Nero was born as a human. He only got Sparda's blood in his veins not too long ago before the events of DMC4."

What? How do you know this and where did it say that? No such thing was mentioned. Thats totally wrong, you cannot develop blood, your born with it its like me saying i didnt get my parents blood until an older age, his DB is a manifestation of something else.

Check out what Cobalt said in the other thread. Nero encountered a demon and got an injury. The demon's blood probably infused with his own and that's also how he developed that arm. And there is a very high possibility that the demon was indeed Nelo Angelo.

NerosDevil:

 

"You better need to know that the Order was using fragments of Nelo Angelo's aka Vergil's soul in their experiments."

So where did you read this also? Thats a theory. It never ever officially said that or made any mention.

Plus how do you know Neros strength prior to the game, plus a whole load of stuff you pulled from no where which doesnt make any sense to anything.

You seriously should pay attention to every little thing in the game, not only the cutscenes. Enemy descriptions and such tell quite a bit of the story.

And don't worry, visualxkei. We will keep this debate under control. ;) 

Actually, the injury may have not meant anything but maybe awoken something inside him. The strength and agility he posessed before are an insight and having white hair, blue eyes is no coincidence? Not to mention the Order making him do the "dirty work" in where he can easily accomplish tasks that dozens of Order members cannot do in one. I doubt Vergil is posession of Neros arm, he would have consumed his mind and caused pain, much like Mundus did to Vergil when he become Nelo Angelo. Plus the emotions Nero feels i doubt they could be shown through his arm if it were evil, much like when Kyrie touches Nero it glows a bright,illuminous yellow. Vergils spirit wont have just thought "well hey im gonna be nice all of a sudden" hes still corrupted. However Yamato didn't cause him problems either, and merely may have just been the swords personal soul, and it seemed to have been manipulated while trying to be restored by Agnus since the figure which resembled Vergil wore the Orders armour. For example, who says that if Nero didnt hold Dantes Rebellion it may have resembled him? Since it is a manifestation of his power.

Plus a "decendant" means from a time-line where he was related to Sparda not contracting blood from another, otherwise im sure Sanctus would have said otherwise and also, dont forget either, that when Agnus was talking to Sanctus at the table, he mentions Neros demonic abilities and Sanctus never seemed surprized like he always knew, especially when sending him on missions before-hand because dont you think he'd be a little suspicious of his strength?. Sanctus obviously knew of Neros parents otherwise i doubt he just suddenly thought, "well hes got the blood of sparda all of a sudden" and wouldnt call him a decendant at all.