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Could Nero be the son of Virgil

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  •  03-21-2008, 4:42 AM 267744 in reply to 267247

    Re: Could Nero be the son of Vergil

    the only way we're gonna find out wut nero is when dmc 5 comes out. or if they make mangas with nero in it. and capcom probably won't release mangas tellin his side of the story cuz tht means more gamers will buy dmc5 when it comes out. i wouldn't start speculating so much cuz all it takes is one false fact (or opinion)  to mess up ur perception of the dmc world and its characters. soooooooo.........while we wait the 3-4 years it takes to make dmc 5 i say we either have a campout or get ourselves so rediculously drunk that time will pass by faster. sooo wut will it be? don't worry ill wait.

     

    but anyway to me anything is possible. ya neva kno. nero could be vergil's son or he isn't. his arm could be posessed by vergil or some other demon (but to me its vergil) nero could be able to weild yamato cuz he chose him as his next owner or vergil could be the one who chose him. et cetera, et cetera, u get the idea.


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  •  03-21-2008, 6:36 AM 267753 in reply to 267247

    Re: Could Nero be the son of Vergil

    the_demon:

    Vergil's soul not in the devil bringer. But the devil bringer seems to absorbs powers so has anyone ever thought maybe reason Nero devil trigger resembles vergil's so much is cause he absorb yamato's power.

    Yes it is. Devil Bringer absorbed Vergil's soul along with Yamato's power.


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  •  03-21-2008, 1:13 PM 267786 in reply to 267753

    Re: Could Nero be the son of Vergil

    My theory is that Nero isn't the offspring of Vergil, but rather the reincarnation of Vergil. In the first Devil May Cry, Dante had destroyed his brother Vergil, and his soul flew away. Nero was raised in an orphanage by The Order of The Sword. And I believe that it was Agnus or Sanctus that had said he had the blood of Sparda flowing in him, but he had said that in a manner that showed that he had already knew he had Sparda's blood in him in an unsurprised manner.

     I read an interview with one of the creators of DMC 4 in Game Informer that the reason Nero had white hair was to make him more acceptable to the games fans.

    Also does anyone find it whimsical that before Dante had crashed through the Opera House to assasinate Sanctus, Nero's arm began to beat profusely to warn Nero of inclement danger. But Nero's arm never beats when around unimportant enemies like scarecrow's, etcetera. It had only began to beat when Dante was nearby.

    Nero being Vergil's son is a little bit too far-fetched. I believe my theory to be the most plausible, but I'll leave that for you to decide. Besides looking in the eyes of Vergil I see the eyes of a gay virgin.

  •  03-21-2008, 3:41 PM 267799 in reply to 267786

    Re: Could Nero be the son of Vergil

    This is my theory:

    His Holiness said he had "inherited" the power of Sparda. To inherit something from Sparda, he would have to be a direct line descendant i.e the son of Sparda, Dante or Virgil (or as my good friend above says, a reincarnation, however for him to have the "blood" of Sparda, I think there would have had to be physical conception by Sparda, otherwise he would have the blood of who every created his new vessel, i.e Nero).

    He can't be the son of Sparda, because the years don't add up, Sparda would have been dead about 10 years when Nero was born.

    Nero was adopted by Credo, and I don't see Dante giving up a child, even if he did, he had no idea what the order of the sword was, so he cant be the father (unless, of course, he didnt know about his son and it was the mother that gave him up).

    So that leaves Virgil. The physical similarities (the white hair etc) along with his ability to resurrect Yamato make me think this is the most likely scenario. I think, Virgil had a child with a demon while in the underworld (considering Nero's age this would be about 10 to 15 years before DMC1). That would make Nero a 3/4 demon who has spent his life in the human world. That would explain why he has a demon arm permanently, rather than just in DT like Dante or Virgil, it's because he has more demon blood. If you read the book from DMC4 it says the arm emerged when he came into contact with a demon, so I think the demon in Nero was awakened at that moment. I think it is likely that Virgil would have given his son to the Order, because if left in the Demon world, Mundus would have surly enslaved him.

    Also if you look, the Demon behind Nero when he is in DT, looks like Nelo Angelo, but not the same, this seems to add to my theory, as the son of Virgil would have a similar demon form, but not the same.

    However, to add to the above theory of reincarnation, the line Nero says when speaking of the moment his arm transformed is "on that day, I heard a voice echo in my head 'power, give me more power'". That may be a memory from a past life, as Virgil did say that a lot. 

    If those two theories are wrong, then that are only two others:

    First, Nero is not related in any way. The Devilbringer was created in a freak accident (or he has demon blood) and it was powerful enough to resurrect Yamato. When it did it absorbed the power that Virgil left in the sword after his death. That explain why he has the a Nelo Angelo look-a-like behind him in DT mode, and the voice in his head was just an "echo".

    Second, when Virgil died in DMC1, his soul found its way to a baby Nero and now resides in his arm. That soul was awakened when Nero was attacked by a demon, and resulted in the demonic transformation of that arm. It would then explain why the arm reacts to Dante and no other demon, and this was before he gained Yamato, it would explain the voice in his head, and how he was able to resurrect the sword.

     

  •  03-21-2008, 8:22 PM 267819 in reply to 267799

    Re: Could Nero be the son of Vergil

    I've just been looking through this topic. I would like to point out that Dante saying "We're the same you and I" and "It needs to stay in the family" and then allowing Nero to keep Yamato are not clues. First of all "We're the same you and I" is said because Nero has a demon arm and demon strength but appears human (like Dante), he is just assuming that Nero has demon blood. And "It needs to stay in the family" is not a clue, because even if Nero is the son of Virgil, Dante would have no idea. Dante wanted to retrieve Yamato because he couldn't let something so powerful fall into the wrong hands, he realized Nero was good, and more than capable of guarding it, so he let him keep it.

    It's also worth note that Virgil did not die at the hands of Mundus. He was corrupted and as he gained strength over the years his DT form changed (like Dante's has). I assume that because he has spent so long in the Demon world his form changed more permanently to Nelo Angelo, rather than just a DT as we see in DMC3:SE. He was defeated at the hands of Dante in DMC1, but here is no evidence to say he died, he disappears after the battle and Mundus just says he has been "defeated". He probably did die then, but if Capcom wanted to, they could always bring him back. 

  •  03-21-2008, 10:23 PM 267824 in reply to 267819

    Re: Could Nero be the son of Vergil

    edit button does exist


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  •  03-22-2008, 12:27 PM 267902 in reply to 267824

    Re: Could Nero be the son of Vergil

    Oh I'm sorry, I forgot about the anally retentive sub-intellectuals like yourself that suffer from a phobia of two consecutive posts by the same person. That must be really dehabilitating for you. You have my sympathies.
  •  03-22-2008, 1:38 PM 267911 in reply to 267902

    Re: Could Nero be the son of Vergil

    LOOQ:
    Oh I'm sorry, I forgot about the anally retentive sub-intellectuals like yourself that suffer from a phobia of two consecutive posts by the same person. That must be really dehabilitating for you. You have my sympathies.

    and you also have my sympathy, for you appear to be one of those people who take offense to everything that's thrown at them, and even reject warnings. you probubly laugh at everything at the end of your nose too. but know that double posting won't condemn you to hell, or make you less of a person, it's just a habit you have to break. it IS in the rules after all, someone as intelligent as yourself wouldn't wanna break any rules just to boost his or her post count would they?

     

    also, I'd advise treating people with slightly more respect, or you won't make too many friends here. 



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  •  03-22-2008, 3:20 PM 267924 in reply to 264084

    Re: Could Nero be the son of Virgil

    I think that Nero may be another son of Sparda. Like he kinda resembles Dante and Vergil and he is able to wield Yamato. Maybe Sparda had a bit of an affair on Eva. Hmm the plot thickens.
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  •  03-22-2008, 5:53 PM 267950 in reply to 267911

    Re: Could Nero be the son of Vergil

    Break:

    LOOQ:
    Oh I'm sorry, I forgot about the anally retentive sub-intellectuals like yourself that suffer from a phobia of two consecutive posts by the same person. That must be really dehabilitating for you. You have my sympathies.

    and you also have my sympathy, for you appear to be one of those people who take offense to everything that's thrown at them, and even reject warnings. you probubly laugh at everything at the end of your nose too. but know that double posting won't condemn you to hell, or make you less of a person, it's just a habit you have to break. it IS in the rules after all, someone as intelligent as yourself wouldn't wanna break any rules just to boost his or her post count would they?

     

    also, I'd advise treating people with slightly more respect, or you won't make too many friends here. 

    I have 4 posts, I don't think post count is an issue for me, if it was I would have begun spamming by now. My annoyance stemmed from the absurdity of your reply, there was about 40 minuets between my two posts, neither you nor I can expect people to keep checking old posts to see if it has had more information edited in. As it was on a different subject from my above posts I saw no reason why it shouldn't be a separate post. It's not like one of those "Oh and I forgot to say" posts. However if I was offended, I would have posted something harsher than sarcasm. And it wasn't like your reply "edit button does exist" was polite either. So please, don't place all the faults in my ball park.
  •  03-22-2008, 7:26 PM 267961 in reply to 267950

    Re: Could Nero be the son of Vergil

    double posting is against the rules, period.

    But I suppose "edit butten does exist" wasn't the smartest way to respond, although I could think of worse things to say... : D

     

    anyway, I agree with this part of your post...

     

    LOOQ:

    He can't be the son of Sparda, because the years don't add up.

    also, the idea of vergil even falling in love... come on people, Dante is the one with all the girl friends. if anyones going to have a baby, it's going to be his offspring, not Vergil's.  (not saying Dante would try to get babes, he doesn't seem like that kinda guy.)

     



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  •  03-22-2008, 8:21 PM 267965 in reply to 267799

    Re: Could Nero be the son of Vergil

     

    pause and rewind! just how old is nero exactly? isn't he, like 17? If he is, he can't be 10-15 years old in dmc1. cuz there's like 9 years between dmc1 and dmc4. i really don't kno to tell the truth all i know rite now is that my head hurts.

    (sorry this is a response to LOOQ's post i forgot to quote wat i wanted to reply to heh forgive me? )


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  •  03-23-2008, 3:46 AM 268007 in reply to 267965

    Re: Could Nero be the son of Vergil

    i just want to say something the yamato was wielded by sparda it was sparda sword he used to seal the gate between the demon world and human world
  •  03-23-2008, 11:25 AM 268016 in reply to 267961

    Re: Could Nero be the son of Vergil

    Break:
    also, the idea of vergil even falling in love... come on people, Dante is the one with all the girl friends. if anyones going to have a baby, it's going to be his offspring, not Vergil's.  (not saying Dante would try to get babes, he doesn't seem like that kinda guy.)

     
    Who said anything about falling in love =P I doubt the Durex company sells in hell.

     

    Decieved:
    pause and rewind! just how old is nero exactly? isn't he, like 17? If he is, he can't be 10-15 years old in dmc1. cuz there's like 9 years between dmc1 and dmc4. i really don't kno to tell the truth all i know rite now is that my head hurts.

    (sorry this is a response to LOOQ's post i forgot to quote wat i wanted to reply to heh forgive me? )

    He is supposed to be around the same age as Dante in DMC3, so that makes him around 19.

     

  •  03-23-2008, 2:47 PM 268041 in reply to 267799

    Re: Could Nero be the son of Vergil

    LOOQ:

     

    So that leaves Virgil. The physical similarities (the white hair etc) along with his ability to resurrect Yamato make me think this is the most likely scenario. I think, Virgil had a child with a demon while in the underworld (considering Nero's age this would be about 10 to 15 years before DMC1). That would make Nero a 3/4 demon who has spent his life in the human world. That would explain why he has a demon arm permanently, rather than just in DT like Dante or Virgil, it's because he has more demon blood. If you read the book from DMC4 it says the arm emerged when he came into contact with a demon, so I think the demon in Nero was awakened at that moment. I think it is likely that Virgil would have given his son to the Order, because if left in the Demon world, Mundus would have surly enslaved him.

    Also if you look, the Demon behind Nero when he is in DT, looks like Nelo Angelo, but not the same, this seems to add to my theory, as the son of Virgil would have a similar demon form, but not the same.

    However, to add to the above theory of reincarnation, the line Nero says when speaking of the moment his arm transformed is "on that day, I heard a voice echo in my head 'power, give me more power'". That may be a memory from a past life, as Virgil did say that a lot. 

    Second, when Virgil died in DMC1, his soul found its way to a baby Nero and now resides in his arm. That soul was awakened when Nero was attacked by a demon, and resulted in the demonic transformation of that arm. It would then explain why the arm reacts to Dante and no other demon, and this was before he gained Yamato, it would explain the voice in his head, and how he was able to resurrect the sword.

     

    The years dont add up for the possibility of Nero being Vergil's son. Vergil would be in his 30's by part 4. Nero is around 19. So Vergil would have had sex with a woman when he was 12-15. And Vergil wasnt the type of person to be intimate with anyone.
    I read the book and I remember that bit about Nero coming into contact with a demon when the arm emerged. I'll get to that part later...

    About his DT. It's true the demon behind him doesnt look exactly like Nelo. But in every DmC game, the DT is different from the last time. Am I right? So a slight difference in the shadow and Nelo is really nothing. It is still very possible it's Nelo Angelo.

    About reincarnation of Vergil. If Vergil possesed his arm, it makes sense that Vergil's quote echoed in his head too. Also, if Nero were the reincarnation of Vergil, Nelo Angelo would have died about 19 years ago. And I dont think 19 years passed between DmC1 and 4.

    Now about that demon the book said he encountered. Since Nero had that cast on his arm to hide it, and Kyrie asks him how his arm is feeling. I am assuming when he encountered this demon, he probably received his Devil Arm. This demon he encountered was most likely Nelo Angelo and his power was transferred at that time. Kyrie and Nero have known eachother since childhood. If he had that arm all along she would have noticed it. So it makes sense that he acquired it recently, and had to hide it with a cast.




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