Hey guys, I just signed up...I couldn't resist

anyways, I'll get right to business

I am currently writing a script based on the first DMC novel.

The only bad thing is that I don't know if anyone has rights FOR the novel...if someone does, I seriously want to contact them and sell (or give) them my script

for any of you who have read the DMC novel, you are probably thinking " the novel doesn't fit with the story!!"

well, I have fixed that. It is now in line with the DMC video games

let's face it, the story DID happen ( in the DMC universe or course) because Dante's guns still say " For Tony Redgrave by .45 art warks"

so, is anyone interested in this? cuz I know you guys are dying for a DMC movie that won't dissapoint! and as one of the biggest DMC fans ever, I wouldn't think of delivering anything other than perfection

 thanks for hearing my out

-Ryan Sotelo/ Gilver

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Gilver:

let's face it, the story DID happen ( in the DMC universe or course) because Dante's guns still say " For Tony Redgrave by .45 art warks"

No, no it didn't. Trust me, the novel IS NOT canon. It did NOT take place. It does NOT fit into the story. Trust me on this.

It used to be canon, but that was before DMC3 and the manga, which overwrote the novel and the "old canon" established by Kamiya via the novel and merchandise notes. The existence of DMC3 makes the novels events utterly impossible, it would cause untold timeline confusion, it would be a canonical train wreck. DMC is at heart, a series of games, the games come before external media, and DMC3 clearly discards the novel. And it said Redgrave on Dantes guns BEFORE the novel was written, the note is actually a leftover from when DMC used to be RE, and in fact, the novel was partially written to explain the little things like that. It cannot be used to argue the novel as canon. There are far far too many inconsistencies. The fact you say you had to MAKE it line up, is proof it isn't canon, because canon doesn't NEED to be rewritten and changed in order to line up, it fits as is. Speaking of which:

 

Gilver:

well, I have fixed that. It is now in line with the DMC video games

hm, well I would love to read your script and check if that is true. No offense, but I only know of two people that know enough about the canonical timeline of DMC to make such a statement. Personally, I seriously doubt you have managed to twist the DMC novel into the canon, considering the thousands of inconsistencies and contradictions it suffers. It just does not fit, and cannot be made to. At the very least, you would need to discard the entire manga in order to make it fit, which I will not stand for.

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dude

I know what I am doing

for one, making it fit isn't hard at all, I just made sure Vergil doesn't "Die" at the end and Dante's sword is rebellion instead of the force edge

the story itself is NOT inconsistant

save your judgements for when you read it, ok?

just give me time to finish it ( not quite done, like I said, I want perfection)

then I'll let you read it...that way you could tell me what works and doesn't work

I would greatly appreciate it

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O__o! WTF?!?....there's a novel? (sorry, newcomer here, and im prone to blonde moments) neways, Kudos, Ryan! someone needs

to make a movie. I'm looking forward to it.

 

 

P.S. do you have ne casting ideas yet? ^^

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Love,

Gilver:

dude

I know what I am doing

for one, making it fit isn't hard at all, I just made sure Vergil doesn't "Die" at the end and Dante's sword is rebellion instead of the force edge

the story itself is NOT inconsistant

save your judgements for when you read it, ok?

just give me time to finish it ( not quite done, like I said, I want perfection)

then I'll let you read it...that way you could tell me what works and doesn't work

I would greatly appreciate it

hm that certaintly isn't all that needs changed, giving me the impression you in fact don't know what you are doing.... but I will reserve judgements and comments until I read it, just as you suggest.... Thanks for giving me the chance to do so. And out of curiosity, where have you decided to place it in the timeline? Last I checked, there was no room for it anymore. I assume you have heard of and read the DMC3 manga? (confirmed by Capcom as canon, unlike the novel these days) It is kinda taking up most of where the novel used to be. And you obviously can't set it AFTER the manga, because in the manga Dante doesn't have amnesia and he is called Dante, and he knows who Vergil is. Which means you have to set it before, except that in the manga Dante is 18, which would make him like 16 or something in your script, plus, in the manga he thinks Vergil is dead until Jester informs him otherwise, bu the discovers Vergil is alive IN the novel, plus, the novel has Verg already under the control of Mundus (what with the Nelo armour referencing at the end) yet we now know he doesn't fall into Mundus' control til after 3. Plus the fact the Vergil in the novel is NOTHING like the Vergil in DMC3, and the two characters personalities are utterly different, as is their motives... I wait to see how you can explain Gilver in the context of DMC3 Vergil... short of some kind of amnesia story of his own. Which would be lame. This is really only the beginning of your troubles... I look forward to reading your script to see how you dealt with the thousands of inconsitencies and problems you are facing.

Oh and BTW, Dante using FE, Vergil dying, they are all parts of the story... don't delude yourself, the novel isn't canon. Capcom discarded it and overwrote it. That is fact which cannot be disputed. Even if your script does twist it into something canonically accurate, even if your script PWNS, the novel itself still isn't part of the real DMC story. Just to have that clear...

Which is why BTW I generally disagree with a movie of the novel. People would watch it and come away thinking thats what DMC is, despite the fact it is what it USED to be, and back when it was that, noone even knew!

I will try and hold back on further comments til I read your script.

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Thank you for trying, but there are already many people making DMC movies.  If you announced this a year ago I would be excited.  Plus, Dex is right.  There are too many inconsistancies.

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sorry about that

I didn't get to finish listing all the changes because I needed to help with dinner!

anyways

in my script, Dante/ Tony redgrave does NOT have amnesia. He is hiding from his past and from the demons that would track him down if he used his real name. at the end he discards his disguise and once again embraces his true self.

he is also younger than he was in DMC3. and Vergil/Gilver is NOT under mundus' control

there are plenty of other changes that I am not quite remembering right now! ( I am a little tired, I'll go through it tonight and list the rest)

anyways, remember in the beginning of DMC3? Dante says "its been nearly a year since we last met" unless there is something that am missing ( you can correct me if you want) then wouldn't that mean that something DID happen and Dante knew that Vergil was alive? and Ebony and Ivory STILL say  the same thing! you HAVE to have the story behind it!

either way, I am making a TON of changes...just PLEASE give it a chance, you won't be dissappointed..everything will be fixed, I will do as much research as possible and I am obviously asking you guys for your opinions

 I am not looking to make money, I would just LOVE to see this story put on the big screen...even if its just a prequel that is made YEARS from now...that is why I want to see if anyone has the rights

but whatever...I'll treat you to a preview soon

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or I could give you a preview now

its not in basic format, cuz that would take WAY too much space

this part is when Tony Redgrave/ Dante accepts the challenge of the newcomer Gilver ( who is Vergil trying to worm his way into Dante's life and defeat him...Dante think's Vergil is dead, so he doesn't think Gilver could be Vergil) and at the end Vergil dissappears, so Dante is left with questions...

the following is NOT perfect! that is a warning, I will fix ANY errors after I am done with the whole thing

"(A tall man walks into the bar, he is wearing a long wool trench coat, his dress shirt underneath is a stunningly blue color, but that wasn’t what everyone was staring at…the man’s face was covered in bandages, like a mummy, he was also carrying a beautiful sword of eastern design)

Enzo: this is Gilver, I’m told he’s a man…but with all those bandages, who knows for sure?

(The bar roars with laughter)

Enzo: He doesn’t talk much, but he’s looking for work here…someone told me he could put you all outta business

(a silence fills the room, hands reach under tables to grasp weapons just in case Gilver made a wrong move, the silence continues…until)

Gilver: I ask one thing…

(The silence continues)

Gilver: I want to take on the strongest man here! Let my actions be my resume’. What do you say?

(Gilver accentuates his request by drawing his sword; he then scans the tables, looking for a worthy challenge…his eyes reach Tony gnawing on a chicken leg)

Gilver: You….I sense that you are the strongest one here

Tony: (between bites). I’m in the middle of dinner, go sit down and think it over, newbie

(Tony accentuates HIS request by waving his chicken leg in a tight circle next to his head)

(Gilver slashes at the chicken leg)

(Tony doesn’t even flinch, but the chicken leg in his hands is now cut cleanly, right above Tony’s hand)

Gilver: it should be easier to eat like that (pointing to what was left of the leg)

Tony: heh, that’s pretty good newbie, it’s about time someone good with a sword came along

(Tony picks up his sword, the bar tenants start moving tables back into a ring around the two fighters)"

any questions and inconsistancies with this story WILL be changed, I could not call myself a DMC fan if I didn't make it into something you guys would love...just trust me! I LOVE a challenge!!

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Gilver:

anyways, remember in the beginning of DMC3? Dante says "its been nearly a year since we last met" unless there is something that am missing ( you can correct me if you want) then wouldn't that mean that something DID happen and Dante knew that Vergil was alive? and Ebony and Ivory STILL say  the same thing! you HAVE to have the story behind it!

I am just on my way out so I just have time to reply to this, I'll read your preview when I get back.

The DMC3 manga is what Dante is talking about there. He discovers Vergil is alive IN the DMC3 manga, a year before DMC3. That is when they met a year ago.

And E+I will always say that on their side. Perhaps Capcom intend to put a story behind it eventually, perhaps they wish to leave it as a tribute to DMCs RE roots, but I repeat, it was there before the novel, it is not proof the novel is canon. The novel was written around things like the Redgrave note, the Redgrave note wasn't added BECAUSE of the novels events.

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You can't "make" it fit. As Dext says, either it's canon or it's not. There's no grey area. The story, all be it awesome, is not part of the series. Changing it around won't change that no matter how good a job you do, you're just wasting your time.

As of right now, the Redgrave thing is nothing more than an Easter Egg for the games, and in honesty that's all it started out as. The novel simply wanted to explain it a bit more, and again, although I liked it, it's no longer true in least.

The novel is not canon, any explenations of the names on E&I are also not canon. No amount of changes you make can or will change that. This is Capcom's story and they say it's not part of the series.

regardless, I am still writing it and its still good. you may disagree, but that's like saying DMC 1 sucks because Trish said that Vergil was lost 20 years ago 

a lot of things get changed when you are making a book ( or game) to movie adaptation. and I am not even changing that much.

If capcom let R.L. Scott make some 50 minute film ( that probably isn't gonna be canon, since Dante is older and I think he changed more than that) I doubt they'd have a problem with me doing what I am doing.

I HAVE to make the story different because it NEEDS to be original. they told R.L. Scott that HIS work could NOT be just a copy of their work

THAT is why my story would work.

it shows a lot more of the origins of Dante and why he is doing what he's doing. the same thing with Vergil

You see Dante become more powerful as he embraces his past, rather than hide from it

but you guys will just have to wait til its finished, but as I said before...save your judgements for when you read it...I'll probably only send it to one of you at first, and see what he thinks

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Vergil was lost 20 years ago, from the moment Eva died, Dante had lost him forever, symbolically speaking (besides, the world beleived Vergil died that day, and if Trish revealed she knew he wasn't dead, Dante would have known she wasn't what she seemed) don't pretend that is a plot hole, it isn't. And please let me clarify: We are not saying your story will suck. We are not saying the novel sucks. The novel is awesome, and I am sure your script will be as well. However, it is NOT CANON. That is what we want you to accept and realise. The story is no longer a part of the DMC universe. It is important you accept this, or it will damage your project as a whole.

And oh gawd, please no not use Sins Remembered as an example of anything. It will destroy ALL faith I have in you as a writer and as a DMC fan. That movie is going to suck on an epic scale, and I seriously doubt Capcom are actually involved. As yet, RL has offered no proof of that claim. Do not beleive a word he says, do not look to SR as how a DMC movie should be made. Good lord, the horror of it. And goddamn right, SR is not canon, not only isn't it canon, it is gonna be a complete perversion of what DMC is, just like every other game eviscerated on the big screen.

You are putting yourself between a rock and a hard place, you say you are not changing that much, yet say you want to change the novel so that it can be considered canon in the timeline. THAT takes ALOT of change. What you are attempting is literally impossible.

And please do not fall into that mindset of "changes are necessary, I must make changes", or you are no better than Boll or Anderson, (or RL?) and all fans everywhere will despise you as another callous greedy hollywood director, flying teh flag of "adaption" and "change" from what made a series great in the first place.

What is it you want to do here? Do you want to make the novel into a film? Do you want to experiment with what needs changed to make it work in the new canon? Do you want to make a great DMC film? What is your goal? You can only acheive one, you will not be able to do all three. They cancel each other out.

And if you want to send it to anyone, I do reccomend me. Even at the risk of sounding a little arrogant. I am one of the most serious followers of DMC canon around. If anyone on this board should check your scripts canon for you, it is me. I look forward to seeing what you do with it.

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I know that DMC1 still does fit with everything, but when you first play it you get the impression that Vergil died 20 years ago

hell, I am not using SR as an example, other than that capcom is letting RL make it...I really don't think I'll be impressed with it...

what I meant about changing things...I am not changing much in regards to the DMC story and timeline, I AM changing a lot in the novel ( which you say isn't canon) basically..I am just trying to make it fit

I am don't want my work to be a copy of the novel, BUT I don't want it to stray too far from the plot of the whole thing...when you read it you'll understand

in regards to my motives, I just want to make an awesome Devil may cry Movie, ( one that is accepted by Capcom) I believe I can make it as close to canon as possible with this story

You have been a great source of contructive criticism and I would not think of sending my script to anyone else at this forum before I send it to you, thank you

 

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No problem then, you just made me a little antzy when you mentioned SR. I have already lost all faith and hope for that project.

Anyway, I like the preview, and look forward to seeing the full script.

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Hey thanx man!

I understand, I just didn't clarify myself...I get nervous sometimes when I talk about my work, plus I was kinda busy...I hate when that happens

anyways, just give me some time to finish, I could send it all at once, or I could send a little at a time for you to fix up

but if this thing goes big screen ( or even if it doesn't) you'll get credit

I DO want to give RL a chance and at least see his movie...but I don't think I'll like it...but we'll see

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