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FFVII Advent Children
Last post 10-15-2008, 11:35 AM by Hitori Oni. 112 replies.
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07-25-2006, 1:31 PM |
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Wolf-demon Nicole
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Re: FFVII Advent Children
Break: Wolf-demon Nicole:
What he said.
And, I have a question too. Why does Kadaj call Cloud 'brother'??
YOUR KIDDING! cloud and kadaj both share jenova's cells.
No, I'm not kidding. And I believe my question was already answered. (Comment removed by a moderator)
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07-25-2006, 4:09 PM |
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Lobuk
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Re: FFVII Advent Children
It probably is mostly due to sharing Jenova's cells (a.k.a. Cloud being a Sephiroth Clone). But there's also a chance that it's due to poor localization/ translation. In Japan it's not uncommon to call someone who which you are close to or know allot about (in Cloud and Kadaj's case) brother as a "friendly" title while not symbolizing any actual blood relationship. I watched the Japanese AC and Kadaj does use this all the time for Cloud, probably due to the fact that Sephiroth is one of the few people who knows Cloud well, at one point in the game only Tifa and Sephy knew about Cloud's lies, not even Cloud. So Kadaj refers to Cloud by the title to convey that. But when translated it wasn't localized well and thus the "brother" keeps.
It's really just a matter of opinion, you could see it as a poor translation, or a deliberate reference to Jenova.
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07-26-2006, 6:19 PM |
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Re: FFVII Advent Children
Wolf-demon Nicole: Break: Wolf-demon Nicole:
What he said.
And, I have a question too. Why does Kadaj call Cloud 'brother'??
YOUR KIDDING! cloud and kadaj both share jenova's cells.
No, I'm not kidding. And I believe my question was already answered. (FYI: I never played the game, creep!!)
please don't call me a creep, you'll get kicked off the server. but if you read carfully threw the posts, i already apolligised for the extra post. also, you dont need to play the game to understand that little bit. Im realy sorry if I hurt your feelings.
I changed the cuse word to "creep". save the mod's some work!
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07-26-2006, 6:21 PM |
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Re: FFVII Advent Children
Lobuk:
It's really just a matter of opinion, you could see it as a poor translation, or a deliberate reference to Jenova.
I aree, if you played the game (and can recal 40 hours of it) you'll know why he calls him "brother".
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07-30-2006, 12:43 PM |
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Wolf-demon Nicole
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Re: FFVII Advent Children
Break: Wolf-demon Nicole: Break: Wolf-demon Nicole:
What he said.
And, I have a question too. Why does Kadaj call Cloud 'brother'??
YOUR KIDDING! cloud and kadaj both share jenova's cells.
No, I'm not kidding. And I believe my question was already answered. (FYI: I never played the game, creep!!)
please don't call me a creep, you'll get kicked off the server. but if you read carfully threw the posts, i already apolligised for the extra post. also, you dont need to play the game to understand that little bit. Im realy sorry if I hurt your feelings.
I changed the cuse word to "creep". save the mod's some work!
Look, I didn't notice that you posted the apology. And also: 1. I was in a bad mood, okay?! That's why I called you a 'creep'. 2. How would you know that part without playing the game?? I hardly understood the movie at all!! 3. I accept your apology, and you didn't hurt my feelings
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07-30-2006, 12:45 PM |
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Wolf-demon Nicole
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Re: FFVII Advent Children
Lobuk:It probably is mostly due to sharing Jenova's cells (a.k.a. Cloud being a Sephiroth Clone). But there's also a chance that it's due to poor localization/ translation. In Japan it's not uncommon to call someone who which you are close to or know allot about (in Cloud and Kadaj's case) brother as a "friendly" title while not symbolizing any actual blood relationship. I watched the Japanese AC and Kadaj does use this all the time for Cloud, probably due to the fact that Sephiroth is one of the few people who knows Cloud well, at one point in the game only Tifa and Sephy knew about Cloud's lies, not even Cloud. So Kadaj refers to Cloud by the title to convey that. But when translated it wasn't localized well and thus the "brother" keeps.
It's really just a matter of opinion, you could see it as a poor translation, or a deliberate reference to Jenova.
Oh, thanks. ^^
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07-30-2006, 4:14 PM |
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Re: FFVII Advent Children
BTW, you said Jenova used Kadaj's body to recreate her most powerful child right, well there is one reason why that doesn't make sence....
Cloud killed her "perfect clone" Sephiroth. Since Cloud killed Sephiroth, that would make him her most powerful "child" Jenova would have remade Cloud, not Sephiroth.
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07-30-2006, 4:29 PM |
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Re: FFVII Advent Children
Michael_Roby:Here's another one....
Were is the big white guy Cat Sith rode, now he rides Red XIII
besides, that was just a doll that cait sith was controlling to move around
"So, you want a piece of me literally. Ok bro, come and get it if you can."
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07-30-2006, 4:43 PM |
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Re: FFVII Advent Children
Michael_Roby:BTW, you said Jenova used Kadaj's body to recreate her most powerful child right, well there is one reason why that doesn't make sence....
Cloud killed her "perfect clone" Sephiroth. Since Cloud killed Sephiroth, that would make him her most powerful "child" Jenova would have remade Cloud, not Sephiroth.
because sephyroth had the same goals with jenova and why she would re-create cloud,cloud is not evil,besides sephiroth is cloud's mortal enemy
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08-01-2006, 4:50 PM |
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Re: FFVII Advent Children
hustla: Michael_Roby:
BTW, you said Jenova used Kadaj's body to recreate her most powerful child right, well there is one reason why that doesn't make sence....
Cloud killed her "perfect clone" Sephiroth. Since Cloud killed Sephiroth, that would make him her most powerful "child" Jenova would have remade Cloud, not Sephiroth.
because sephyroth had the same goals with jenova and why she would re-create cloud,cloud is not evil,besides sephiroth is cloud's mortal enemy
All I'd like to add to that, is cjenova was injected with sephiroths dna, aything that comes in contact with a part of jenova (and has the jenova jean) can turn into sephiroth.
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08-03-2006, 7:27 PM |
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Re: FFVII Advent Children
Next question
In the last scene when Cloud saw Aeristh and Zack as they walked away, did they somehow come back to life, or was Cloud seeing they're spirits?
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08-03-2006, 9:16 PM |
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Lobuk
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Re: FFVII Advent Children
As to the Cloud being perfect child of Jenova or something, that's not quite the case. Sephiroth is the only child of Jenova, he was altered before birth, Jenova cells are apart of him, they weren't simply injected in him when he was already an adult like with Cloud. Cloud isn't a child of Jenova, only Sephiroth. And Jenova can't choose Cloud over Sephiroth even if Cloud was a child of Jenova, because Sephiroth is in control of Jenova, not the other way around (as explained in the Ultamania Omega). Everytime you see Jenova in the game (except the Northern Crater and in Flash Backs), it's actually Jenova being controlled by Sephiroth to take on his form. During the entire course of FFVII Sephiroth never leaves the Northern Crater.
As for Zack and Aerith, I don't know if I would say it was their spirits, that's open to debate, but they defiantly weren't alive. With Sephiroth as the only exception, there's been nothing that points to FFVII characters ever being able to come back from the dead. If they had been alive I don't think Aerith and Zack would had disappeared again, it would've been like they said, "Hi, we're the girl you love and your best friend who you thought were dead! Now... instead of enjoying our reunion we have to go for no particular reason to no particular place..."
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08-04-2006, 7:28 PM |
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Re: FFVII Advent Children
Lobuk:
As to the Cloud being perfect child of Jenova or something, that's not quite the case. Sephiroth is the only child of Jenova, he was altered before birth, Jenova cells are apart of him, they weren't simply injected in him when he was already an adult like with Cloud. Cloud isn't a child of Jenova, only Sephiroth. And Jenova can't choose Cloud over Sephiroth even if Cloud was a child of Jenova, because Sephiroth is in control of Jenova, not the other way around (as explained in the Ultamania Omega). Everytime you see Jenova in the game (except the Northern Crater and in Flash Backs), it's actually Jenova being controlled by Sephiroth to take on his form. During the entire course of FFVII Sephiroth never leaves the Northern Crater.
As for Zack and Aerith, I don't know if I would say it was their spirits, that's open to debate, but they defiantly weren't alive. With Sephiroth as the only exception, there's been nothing that points to FFVII characters ever being able to come back from the dead. If they had been alive I don't think Aerith and Zack would had disappeared again, it would've been like they said, "Hi, we're the girl you love and your best friend who you thought were dead! Now... instead of enjoying our reunion we have to go for no particular reason to no particular place..."
Ehh... well yea, I admire your patience for typing the whole thing out. I was just giving the short version.
Any way...ff7 is a...VERYconfusing game(as well as movie). can we agree to that?
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08-04-2006, 8:36 PM |
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Re: FFVII Advent Children
Hehe, yeah. Pretty confusing. I haven't played the game myself, but my brother has beaten it a countless number of times and I know about most of the things and storyline.
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09-13-2006, 9:11 PM |
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Re: FFVII Advent Children
So why did the make cloud so strong in advent children he can nearly literally fly! and how come he changed his sword i thiught the ultimate weapon was awesome enough
“Women wish to be loved without a why or a wherefore; not because they are pretty, or good, or well-bred, or graceful, or intelligent, but because they are themselves.-”Demonic SPARDA
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